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A CONVERSATION. by Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Julian and Maddalo is a lengthy, conversational poem featuring two brilliant friends—one an idealistic optimist (Julian, who represents Shelley himself) and the other a cynical aristocrat (Maddalo, based on Lord Byron).

Poet
Percy Bysshe Shelley
Themes
freedom, identity, loneliness
The PoemFull text

A CONVERSATION.

Percy Bysshe Shelley

[Composed at Este after Shelley’s first visit to Venice, 1818 (Autumn); first published in the “Posthumous Poems”, London, 1824 (edition Mrs. Shelley). Shelley’s original intention had been to print the poem in Leigh Hunt’s “Examiner”; but he changed his mind and, on August 15, 1819, sent the manuscript to Hunt to be published anonymously by Ollier. This manuscript, found by Mr. Townshend Mayer, and by him placed in the hands of Mr. H. Buxton Forman, C.B., is described at length in Mr. Forman’s Library Edition of the poems (volume 3 page 107). The date, ‘May, 1819,’ affixed to “Julian and Maddalo” in the “Posthumous Poems”, 1824, indicates the time when the text was finally revised by Shelley. Sources of the text are (1) “Posthumous Poems”, 1824; (2) the Hunt manuscript; (3) a fair draft of the poem amongst the Boscombe manuscripts; (4) “Poetical Works”, 1839, 1st and 2nd editions (Mrs. Shelley). Our text is that of the Hunt manuscript, as printed in Forman’s Library Edition of the Poems, 1876, volume 3, pages 103-30; variants of 1824 are indicated in the footnotes; questions of punctuation are dealt with in the notes at the end of the volume.]

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§01Quick summary

What this poem is about

Julian and Maddalo is a lengthy, conversational poem featuring two brilliant friends—one an idealistic optimist (Julian, who represents Shelley himself) and the other a cynical aristocrat (Maddalo, based on Lord Byron). They ride along the Venice lagoon, engaging in a debate about free will and human potential, before visiting a mysterious madman whose ramblings challenge both of their philosophies. At the center of the poem lies the madman's troubled love story, which defies easy resolution. Shelley intentionally leaves the major questions unanswered: the poem serves as a debate rather than a definitive conclusion.

§02Themes

Recurring themes

§03Line by line

Stanza by stanza, with notes

  1. I rode one evening with Count Maddalo / Upon the bank of land which breaks the flow

    Editor's note

    Shelley begins with a laid-back, almost story-like tone. The two friends are cycling along the Lido, the slim stretch of land that divides Venice's lagoon from the Adriatic Sea. This leisurely, easygoing rhythm positions the poem as a real conversation instead of a stiff debate — we’re overhearing two clever individuals pondering together.

  2. I love all waste / And solitary places; where we taste

    Editor's note

    Julian, who represents Shelley, shares his appreciation for bleak, empty landscapes. He believes these settings eliminate social distractions and allow the mind to wander freely. This perspective reflects a central Romantic belief—that wild, desolate scenery isn't just sad; it's actually freeing. It also subtly reveals Julian's character: he sees potential in what others perceive as mere emptiness.

  3. Maddalo is one of the few who are / Exception to the general rule

    Editor's note

    Shelley takes a moment to draw Maddalo's portrait. Maddalo is brilliant, proud, and has the potential for greatness, yet he opts for cynicism and idleness instead of taking action. Shelley feels both admiration and frustration toward Byron, and that mix of emotions is woven into every line describing Maddalo's character.

  4. We talked of his [Maddalo's] estate / In self, which all men hold in fee

    Editor's note

    The philosophical argument kicks off. Julian argues that the human mind can be its own master — that suffering and limitations aren't fixed, but rather failures of will and imagination. Maddalo counters: humans are weak, prone to self-deception, and ultimately at the mercy of uncontrollable forces. This is where the poem's main debate lies.

  5. And as we rode, we talked; and the swift thought, / Winging itself with laughter, lingered not

    Editor's note

    Shelley conveys the vibrant essence of true intellectual friendship — ideas flow quickly, jokes intertwine with serious discussions, and the conversation feels dynamic. The phrase about thought 'winging itself with laughter' stands out as one of the poem's most memorable moments, illustrating that Julian and Maddalo truly appreciate each other's company, even amidst their disagreements.

  6. Look, Julian, on the west, and listen well / If you can hear what I shall now foretell

    Editor's note

    Maddalo gestures towards the madhouse on a small island in the lagoon, its bell ringing as the sun sets. He brings it up as evidence in their debate: these are people whose minds have been shattered by pain. If the mind were genuinely free and sovereign, how can we explain their condition? The sound of the madhouse bell symbolizes everything Julian's optimism fails to consider.

  7. A windowless, deformed and dreary pile; / And on the top an open tower, where hung

    Editor's note

    The description of the madhouse is intentionally grim and suffocating, creating a stark contrast to the lovely Venetian sunset surrounding it. Shelley is making a clear point: horror and beauty exist side by side in the world, and any philosophy that overlooks one aspect of this reality is lacking.

  8. And we will go there, said Maddalo, and hear / The madman's talk

    Editor's note

    Maddalo suggests they check out the asylum the following day. The poem takes a turn: what started as an abstract philosophical discussion is about to turn real and personal. The madman they'll encounter isn't just a symbol or a point in the argument — he's a person with a story, and his pain will add layers to everything both men have discussed.

  9. Poor fellow! his sane brain / Was overwrought, and that is all

    Editor's note

    Inside the asylum, the madman shares a lengthy, tormented monologue about a love that ruined him. His words come out in jagged bursts, heavy with grief and blame. Shelley intentionally obscures the precise details of the tale — prioritizing emotion over plot — compelling the reader to experience the pain rather than just grasp it on an intellectual level.

  10. Julian and Maddalo returned to the city, / And I, having spent some months in that vicinity

    Editor's note

    The poem's frame narrative picks up again. Julian eventually departs from Venice. Years later, he comes back and inquires with Maddalo's daughter — now an adult — about what happened to the madman. She informs him that the story ended sadly but chooses not to share further details. Shelley concludes the poem with intentional ambiguity: the philosophical debate remains unresolved, the love story isn't fully clarified, and the reader is left with the same unanswered questions that Julian and Maddalo were discussing at the beginning.

§04Tone & mood

How this poem feels

The tone feels conversational and personal — it’s a poem that engages you rather than lecturing you. It shifts between warmth and sadness, balancing the joy of intellectual banter with a real sense of sorrow about human limitations. There’s humor in the friendship moments and deep pain in the madman’s speech, and Shelley manages to embrace both emotions without letting one overshadow the other.

§05Symbols & metaphors

Symbols & metaphors

The madhouse bell
The bell tolling at sunset from the island asylum is Maddalo's secret weapon in the philosophical debate. It embodies all the suffering that idealism can't brush aside — a stark reminder that human minds can break, that pain exists, and that optimism must confront this reality.
The Venice lagoon
The lagoon serves as the poem's focal landscape: it's beautiful and in-between, not quite land and not entirely sea. This reflects the poem's own dual nature—the argument remains unresolved and the story never completely unfolds. Venice, a city resting on water and gradually sinking, underscores the theme of human achievement tinged with unavoidable decay.
The madman
The madman represents more than just a character; he stands as a living counter-argument. His fractured mind and tragic love story exist in the space between Julian's optimism and Maddalo's cynicism, fully belonging to neither side. He embodies the moment when philosophy turns personal — where discussions about human potential collide with the reality of a flawed human being.
The sunset
The famous sunset over the lagoon features some of Shelley's most beautiful writing. It represents beauty, transience, and how the natural world effortlessly outshines human suffering — the sun sets magnificently regardless of whether the madman is in agony.
Maddalo's daughter
The child who shows up for a moment during the friends' visit and reappears as a young woman at the end of the poem symbolizes the passage of time and the shift from innocence to understanding. She is aware of how the madman's story ends, yet she chooses not to reveal it — she holds onto an unresolved truth.

§06Historical context

Historical context

Shelley wrote *Julian and Maddalo* in the autumn of 1818, shortly after he visited Venice for the first time and spent time with Lord Byron. Despite being close friends, the two poets had very different temperaments: Shelley was an idealist who believed in the potential for human improvement, while Byron was a cynical aristocrat who viewed such optimism as naive. Their actual conversations clearly influenced the poem. During this time, Shelley was also experiencing personal turmoil; he lost two of his children, Clara and William, which added a layer of genuine grief to the poem beyond just philosophical reflection. He revised the text in May 1819 but decided against publishing it under his own name while he was alive, instead sending the manuscript to Leigh Hunt for anonymous publication. It eventually appeared in the *Posthumous Poems* of 1824, two years after Shelley drowned in the Gulf of Spezia at the age of twenty-nine.

§07FAQ

Questions readers ask

Julian represents Shelley directly — the name is just a subtle cover, as Shelley noted in his own preface. Maddalo reflects Lord Byron. The portrait is both warm and truthful: Shelley respected Byron's brilliance but was genuinely disturbed by what he perceived as Byron's intentional squandering of it.

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